
ILR Podcast: Interview with Professor Peadar Kirby
Update: Peadar Kirby has an excellent post up on Progressive Economy which discusses another, barely acknowledged, crisis: the crisis of knowledge in our institutions of state, most sharply in the Dept of Finance and the ERSI, the media and our universities:
A debate spluttered into life over the last week or so that added yet another crisis to the growing list of crises we are living through. This one focuses on the knowledge crisis: who knew what and why didn’t they act on it. Perhaps the most extraordinary intervention of the debate was the admission by Professor Frances Ruane, director of the ESRI, in a Primetime interview that the Institute lacked the expertise to recognise the crisis that was coming.
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In this ILR podcast recorded over the phone on the 29th of June, I talked to Professor Peadar Kirby, of the Department of Politics and Public Administration, University of Limerick about the long-term ineffectiveness of the Irish economic model and how its apparent success over the last decade and a half disguised its underlying weakness. Professor Kirby has just published a new edition of his 2002 book, Celtic Tiger in Distress, which is now called Celtic Tiger in Collapse: Explaining the Weaknesses of the Irish Model.
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In it he explores the basis of the so called “Celtic Tiger” economy, and how it was largely explained within the media and in academia. He also examines different theortical models of the Irish state and asks whether Ireland is a developmental, partnership or competition state.
In the final chapter, having explored the Irish state from the point of view of its political economy, he concentrates on the political situation surrounding the biggest economic crisis that Ireland has ever faced. The interview covers many of these topics, including the current crisis in the Eurozone and lasts for about 35 minutes.
The following is taken from a recent article written by Professor Kirby called The Irish “Miracle” and It’s Collapse: Learning the Lessons in which he looks at the situation in Ireland now. I include it here because it provides an introduction of sorts to what he is examining in the Celtic Tiger in Collapse.

“So how did Ireland’s Celtic Tiger collapse so spectacularly and what lessons are to be learnt? Two answers can be given, one short-term and one relating to the structural weaknesses of the Irish model. The short-term answer focuses on the boom in construction, fuelled by state subsidies, the lack of any tax on property ownership and by low interest rates since Ireland joined the euro in 2002. With easy and low-cost credit from banks which lent recklessly to property developers, construction became the motor of growth in the Irish economy after the collapse of the US dot.com bubble in 2001. The bursting of the housing bubble and the crisis it has entailed for the whole banking system thus constitutes the short-term cause of the Irish collapse.
However, the severity of the crisis highlights the weaknesses of the Irish model. This was based on a low-tax economy as an incentive to attract FDI to establish in Ireland. As soon as growth rates faltered, the Irish state’s tax revenue collapsed also, leaving a €25bn budget deficit in the €60bn national budget for 2010. A second core feature of the Irish model was its ‘light-touch’ regulatory framework as the state trusted the private sector effectively to regulate itself. Reports into the crisis being released by the government as I write, one by the Central Bank governor and another by two former IMF officials, are scathing about budgetary policy during the boom and about the severe failures of the state’s regulatory authorities. These illustrate features of Ireland’s extremely market-friendly ‘competition state’ which I have analysed in my own work.”
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Comment by: LeftAtTheCross
Jul 1st 2010 at 11:07
Good interview. Not sure I followed the first few minutes, it’s quite academic, but once he moves onto FDI and the welfare state and the narrowness of irish politics he warms up considerably. Worth listening to for sure. Thanks.
Comment by: Donagh
Jul 1st 2010 at 19:07
Cheers LeftAtTheCross, glad someone else found it worth listening to.
Comment by: Mick
Jul 1st 2010 at 19:07
Enjoyed that thanks. Keep up the good work.
Comment by: Andrew
Aug 11th 2010 at 23:08
Appreciated that as well- thank you