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Wednesday, Feb 22nd 2012


Savaged by a Sheep

I woke early this morning and, as always on such occasions, my conscience got to me - atheists have notoriously active consciences. I’m inclined to think I may have wronged poor Davie Adams. An Dorcha is right that his former associations shouldn’t matter and anyway the situation in the North of Ireland at the time I’m referring to was complex and people like Mr Adams showed immense courage by taking a stand. People grow and change. The disappointing thing, for me, is that Mr Adams grew into a right-wing commentator who chose to take to task a movement about which he seems to know next to nothing and in language borrowed from an even more right-wing writer. Those comments and his present opinions were the proper direction of my attack. His past is irrelevant. Ire is a bad companion to irony.

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  1. Comment by: An Dorcha

    Jan 19th 2011 at 16:01

    Now I certainly have no gra for loyalists (and the UFF counted amongst their ranks some very sick twisted individuals) but for the sake of accuracy I have to say this article is well off the mark.

    In the Kesh in 72/73 the UVF prisoners won the right to study higher education courses. At the same time the leadership of the PIRA ordered that any books by so called subversives (including Karl Marx and James Connolly) that were in the prison be destroyed. One of the first Republicans to get an academic qualification while serving was Martin O’Hagan and he was a sticky.

    Aside from reductively going over David Adams past as a interlocutor for the UFF/UDA (no better or worse than Gerry Adams corresponding role) it just panders to some base stereotypes and bizarrely for a left wing site questions Adam’s masculinity? Wise up!

  2. Comment by: William Wall

    Jan 19th 2011 at 17:01

    It’s very difficulty to address someone whose name is in Irish and begins with the definite article. It’s a bit like talking to The Knight of Glin. Do you say, O Knight? In which case I would have to begin, O Darkness… etc. Though I will say, I would have thought it should be An Dorchadas. But my Irish is rusty.

    But, to get on to your comment that the ‘article is well off the mark’. What mark? Do you think this is a piece of sociology? or history? You’d need to think of this article differently. Try to see it as a satire on the kind of journalism that Adams gets up to. Check the link to his article to see what I mean. Test your sense of humour on it and see how it works.

    As regards the old cliches about the IRA reading Marx, I’m well aware that the situation fluctuated, but I think the cliche is well enough attested to be trotted out again and again. If only for the fun it gives us. I checked this link before writing my piece:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2000/dec/02/society.politics

    It makes the same point as you, that the loyalists also had reading material, but interestingly, the Loyalist reading material tended to be more conventional. And, equally interestingly, no trace of it remains. I ignored all that of course, because I’m not writing history. If you think my piece is history, see the second paragraph of this comment.

    I certainly never questioned Adams’ masculinity. I wouldn’t be bothered one way or the other. I was thinking more of Waters’ obsession with dominant women and they way they might look at you, and how, in a way, bodybuilding is the obverse of that.

    As regards Gerry V David (Adams), I’d prefer a left-wing former apologist for terror to a right-wing former apologist for terror any day. Though the jury is out, as far as I’m concerned, on how left Gerry is. But what I was suggesting is that for Adams to call organisations like People Before Profit (for example) a crackpot outfit is a bit rich, not very subtle, and not at all surprising.

  3. Comment by: Brian Hanley

    Jan 20th 2011 at 22:01

    I have only met Davy Adams once, at a debate/panel on republicanism at the West Belfast festival in 2004. He was invited to speak by the republican Fourthwrite magazine. Most of what he dwelt on was the historic roots of 1790’s Presbyterian radicalism.
    I thought his Irish Times article was pretty silly and he does indeed seem to have quite conservative politics. However your depiction of him as a Nazi/and or brain dead thug is wide of the mark. Adams was effectively driven out of Craigavon because he opposed UDA criminality: his family suffered intense intimidation in 2004-2005. I know there are former republican prisoners who would attest to his honesty, if nothing else.

  4. Comment by: William Wall

    Jan 20th 2011 at 22:01

    I notice that both you and An Dorcha use exactly the same form of words -’wide of the mark’. Once again I ask WHAT MARK? I’d like to know what mark my piece is wide of. Once we’ve established that we might have a sensible discussion.

    In the meantime I never suggested he was a Nazi or a thug. Nor that he was dishonest. The point of the reference to the UDA/UFF alleged links to Combat 18 was to say that (a) anyone associated with such an organisation (i.e. one that allegedly had links to Combat 18) could be expected to be virulently anti-Marxist, and (2) that Mr Adams has his own associations with crackpot outfits. I thought that was perfectly plain.

    Also, please see paragraph 2 of my comment above.

  5. Comment by: Terry McDermott

    Jan 21st 2011 at 09:01

    ‘Also, please see paragraph 2 of my comment above.’

    Oh, so it’s satire! Well then it was comedy gold. Really funny stuff. I’ve never heard the one about the thick fascist loyalist who spent all their time in jail body building before.

  6. Comment by: William Wall

    Jan 21st 2011 at 11:01

    See the new note above.

  7. Comment by: William Wall

    Jan 21st 2011 at 14:01

    @ Terry McDermott. Terry, you’re way off the mark (sic). There’s a difference between satire and a joke or comedy. I can recommend a few definitions. But satire is often not funny at all. Or not intended to be. Think of Gulliver’s Travels, for example. One way or the other ‘comedy gold’ and ‘the one about…’ do not qualify. You’re talking about stand-up comedy or pub humour. In the words of one of the other commenters here, ‘Wise up’.

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